The Risks and Rewards of AGI: A Conversation with David Shapiro

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This is my first podcast episode, and it is with none other than David Shapiro. David Shapiro discusses AI on YouTube in a way that sets him apart from other creators. He neither predicts doom nor portrays a utopia. Instead, he explores the various potential futures and presents solutions. His approach enables people to not only follow along but also participate actively in these solutions. We discussed the following topics: 00:00 - Introduction 03:04 - AI and LLM’s What are they 04:06 - Protecting Data as a business 08:16 - AGI 18 Months Away? 13:44 - Moloch, can’t stop the race towards the cliff 16:29 - What is it Optimized for? 19:44 - Dangers of the Apple VR Headset 25:30 - AI Doomerism (Like Eliezoor) 29:21 - Will Normal Humans Benefit From AI? 33:04 - Negative Externalities of AI (Who Pays?) 38:41 - Using AI Productively 42:33 - What does a post AGI world look like? 42:44 - GATO Layers 49:44 - RLHF vs RLHE 55:03 - GATO Roadmap 01:03:55 - Evil AI’s vs Good AI’s 01:08:09 - Biological Immortality 01:14:28 - Fusion, virtually free energy 01:17:37 - GATO Traditions

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